kalyr.com

Bloody Vikings

Amadán is sick of spam.

In the meantime, though, I am deleting anywhere from 3 to 20 posts a day from [expletive deleted] spammers. And the effort it takes to prune any blog comments of comment-spam is a significant discouragement. I would really, really, really like to see some innovative technology developed to do something to those [expletive deleted]. Imagine what the computing power of the NSA could accomplish if turned to good

A couple of days ago I found out that all (legitimate) mail to me from The Phoenyx was bouncing because of a new spam-filtering technique implemented by my hosting provider, which was unfortunately generating too many false positives.

Patrick Niesen Hayden of Making Light has been hit by 2500 email spams, almost all of which are bounces caused by the spammer faking his email as the reply address. Commenter Erik V. Olson remarks:

For all intents and purposes, the spammers have won. Nobody talks about stopping them, we all merely talk about how we shuck and jive and filter and block to keep email a valid means of communication, and more and more people are deciding that this is way too much effort for way too little gain.

I'm still fighting, with my own mailserver, but this domain will be my last one ever. If it gets spammed into oblivion, then I'm off the net, because I have better things to do than maintain block lists and spam filters, and [expletive deleted] if I'm paying for bandwidth so that the spammers can spam me.

I think any serious attempt to reclaim the Internet from the spammers can't just focus on improved blocking and filtering techniques. It's got to focus just as much on shutting down the spammers. Let's have enough spammers in jail (or messily murdered) that the rest are sufficiently discouraged and find some other avenue of employment.

I don't think you can make 'spamming' illegal as such; I think 'Opt In' vs. 'Opt Out' vs. 'Existing Business Relationships' contains too many grey areas to be meaningfully legislated for, as well as raising some free speech issues. What I would like to see is a lot of the methods and techniques used by the worst spammers made extremely illegal across all nations connected to the internet. I'm talking about the sorts of things no legitimate business could defend using, but without which the current level of large-scale spamming would be impossible.

Things like the following:

  • Deliberate repeat violation of the TOS (Terms of Service) of any internet provider.
  • Use of somebody else's email address as fake return address.
  • Use of false personal information when registering a domain.
  • Use of any insecure third-party proxy servers without permission of the owner.
  • Not just the creation or deployment of viruses to create 'zombie nets' (which is probably already illegal), but the use of these zombie bots.

I'd also like to see all existing laws regarding hacking and DDOS attacks specifically exclude sites run and owned by known spammers.

Posted by TimHall at June 18, 2006 01:51 PM | TrackBack
Comments

Maybe we need to use a network of small private mail servers which only accept mail from trusted sources to build an alternative email system. Suppose the sender of a mail has to know where a mail-server is and contact it by SSL before depositing email which will only be accepted if it is to someone that server knows and the title line has an agreed keyword.

Yes, it would be a pain, but it would be secure.

Posted by: Michael Orton on June 19, 2006 09:17 AM

My current tactic is twofold:

1) My ISP has a spam filter, which is enabled and blocks the most obvious spam immediately.
2) Outlook's junk mail controls are turned on. It works surprisingly well; I've not had a false positive in a long time.

My blog is approval-only, and MT has some stuff that makes it all the easier to filter in the legit stuff.

But I do agree that cracking down on the senders and making it highly impractical for them to use email like this will help. It will still only be one of the many ways this nonsense will be stopped, though.

I don't think people are going to ditch email as we know it and move to something new when what they have is still even marginally functional.

Posted by: Serdar on June 19, 2006 04:35 PM

To get rid of spammers, you would have to remove the incentive. You would have to get people to stop buying from spammers. Right now, about 20% of the internet population has bought from spammers, and the number is going up. They do it because they are stupid, selfish, and horny.

If you want to get rid of spam, you will have to rid the world of stupidity, selfishness, and lust. Good luck.

Posted by: Phelps on June 19, 2006 08:53 PM

Rid the world of stupidity, selfishness, and lust? Sounds like we're back to nuking Florida again.

Nuke the whole state from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Tim Hall on June 19, 2006 09:56 PM

Nonsense, Phelps. We don't deal with theft by getting rid of all our possessions. We don't deal with drunk drivers by ceasing to drive.

We're looking at a situation where a relatively small number of malfeasants are grossly abusing a public resource. It seems absurd to me that we don't go after them more aggressively.

Yes, they can spoof their addresses and hide behind false domain names, but they're spamming for money; and where they make contact with that money, they're grounded.

Posted by: Teresa Nielsen Hayden on June 20, 2006 10:28 PM

It's not nonsense, it's reality. Look at the War on (some) Drugs. We spend tons of money fighting people who are making a ton of money to deliver a product that (stupid) people pay great gobs of money for.

And we have totally failed to have any effect on it.

Spam is going to go the same way. If we could get people to stop buying from spammers, then spam would go away. While there is still a ton of money to be made, spammers will continue to come up with ways to get around whatever technology we come up with. Any technology that the same people who are buying from the spam buyers to handle will be simple enough for the spammers to subvert.

Posted by: Phelps on June 26, 2006 08:17 PM

Since this post is now getting spammed to hell, I'm closing comments on it :(

Posted by: Tim Hall on July 6, 2006 07:28 PM
Comments are closed on this entry
Links of the day
Don't dumb me down!

Why the media spreads bad science, and why it matters. Yes, it's all those humanities graduates in the media to blame. (via)

You are a Tree!

Scott has a new blog!

Adopt a Blogger Today!

Broadband Stars is concerned about the Missing British Bloggers: "Take a look around Britblog or London Bloggers and see if you can find a new British blogger to link to".

Fulltext RSS feeds suck

So says Neil McIntosh. He does raise some valid points, especially about comments.