Meaningless Genre Labels?
Temple Stark thinks musical genre labels make no sense.
People get quite, quite stupid about trying to define genres of music. Certainly there are time references and bracketing of music, but gritty, heavy, middle of the road, prog-rock, emo, alternative (the ultimate useless label)?
Ah yes, "Alternative". Alternative has now completely lost it's original meaning, because it's represents a style that's now become the mainstream, while the music it was originally supposed to be an alternative to is now called "classic rock". The British "Indie" is equally stupid when it's used to refer to present-day corporate rock acts like Coldplay and Franz Ferdinand.
I'd admit there is a difference between "heavy metal" and "hard rock", but I can't think of any specific genre markers that separate one from the other. It's just something you know when you hear it. Black Sabbath are heavy metal. Thin Lizzy are hard rock. And I'm not even going to try and explain why. What ends up endless causing arguments between musical anoraks is that most genre boundaries are fuzzy, and many truly great bands are too varied to sit neatly into any single genre, let alone a sub-genre. When you get into 'Progressive Doom" or "Zinc Alloy Metal" (OK, so I made that last one up!), I'm lost. I think most bands that fit too neatly into a specific sub-genre are likely to be rather unoriginal and derivative. It's not just metal that subdivides into narrow genres; dance music is even worse.
My biggest pet hate is the way some people claim to love "progressive rock" and hate "prog rock", and then go on to define those two genres on some totally arbitrary basis purely in order to fit whatever bands they do or don't like in the right one.
Posted by TimHall at September 06, 2006 07:45 PMImagine how I feel when trying to explain Railroad Earth?
Well, you see, they play acoustic instruments like a string band, but they're amplified. They sorta sound like bluegrass, due to the instrumentation, but are more like Americana/Roots/Celtic with flourishes of jazz, rock and classical.
It hurts the brain some times. :)
Posted by: Scott on September 6, 2006 11:12 PMReminds me, I need to review that Circulus album :)
You heard of Circulus? They're another band that defy genre classification. Crumhorns and Moogs...
Posted by: Tim Hall on September 6, 2006 11:23 PMNo, I haven't heard of 'em. Sounds intriguing.
Posted by: Scott on September 7, 2006 06:13 PM"musical anoraks"
ahh they don't use anorak as a derogatory term enough here in the US.
Trying to separate prog rock and progressive rock ... um, just shoot *yourself* (not Tim) now because you wouldn't know music if it happened NOT to go in one ear and out the other.
Posted by: Temple Stark on September 8, 2006 02:19 AMWell, I'm happy to embody your pet hate, then. ;)
Progressive: music of any genre, which advances or transcends that genre. The first hip-hop was progressive, though those which followed are not.
Prog: the name of a specific genre, which was progressive in the 1970s, but rarely continues to be. Famously, Radiohead is progressive, but not 'prog'. Yes is 'prog', but no longer progressive.
'Prog-rock' is progressive in the same way as 'alt-rock' is alternative.
More simply: progressive music fascinates me, but I loathe 'prog'. ;)
Posted by: NRT on September 8, 2006 03:21 PMTemple, do you want to shoot him, or shall I? ;)
Posted by: Tim Hall on September 8, 2006 03:31 PMMany people mistakenly believe that 'indie' is short for 'independant' - actually it's short for 'in de charts'.
Or possibly 'in de hairdressers' ;-)
More like 'In de shop selling stupid skinny ties"
Surely "In de hairdressers" was Spandau Ballet (quite possibly the most pretentiously hyped band of all time)
Posted by: Tim Hall on September 11, 2006 07:50 PM